Fortune: Ato Bereket, if you find some of my questions making references to the interview we had had in 2005, please forgive me. It is because the local and by-elections held two weeks ago were in the shadow of what happened in the recent political history of this country. And you were at the center of that process from the run-up to the May 2005 national elections - including the hotheaded debates - to the voting date and all that followed. Unlike in the past, you have not been seen assume that central role; you have chosen to be less visible. Why is that? Is it because you have become unpopular in the eyes of the electorates that your party decided it might be a good idea for you to be away from public attention?

Bereket: The nature of the work I get myself involved now demands me to keep a low profile. Nevertheless, it does not mean that I was not at the center of the election, although I was not that visible.

Q. Do you accept that you have become unpopular due to your role during the May 2005 elections?

I do not think I have become unpopular; I tend to believe that emotions were high at that time. It is a bit difficult to take emotions as a yardstick of measurement. When the emotions have subsided people have chosen the EPRDF and it seems the popularity of the party has increased. We, members of the EPRDF, do not want our individual ratings to serve as means of measurement but rather the party’s program. It is obvious that the party has won the elections and the credibility gap has been filled, and I do not think those emotions ought to be taken as eternal.

Q. Although the official figures are yet to be disclosed, I suspect you have the results of the recent elections at your fingertips?
 

Definitely!

Q. Tell me about Addis Abeba: By-elections were held for 14 seats to the federal parliament and you have won all of them. The city council has about 138 seats; with the exception of one, your party took 137. All the district seats have been taken by the EPRDF, if not all the kebelle seats. Is that accurate?

I am not sure about all the kebelle seats, but certainly a significant majority of the seats there have been taken by us. It seems to me this is a landslide victory.

Q. Three years ago, when we talked about your electoral defeat in Addis Abeba in particular, you had said that your party had tasted defeats on several occasions. And it is a party that always made a comeback. Would you consider this as yet another comeback?
 

Sure. After the 2005 electoral defeat in Addis, the party worked hard to correct its mistakes, which, to a large extent, isolated some of our support groups who subsequently rendered support to the opposition. These were the protest votes that they got. We also started working on putting things right. It was a combination of avoiding mistakes and simultaneously doing the right things that caused the EPRDF to regain the lost confidence of the electorate. In the end, the people soberly weighed what the EPRDF has done in terms of transforming the city with a view to changing their lives, and they recognised its efforts in trying to address their concerns. This is why they have once again given a vote of confidence in the EPRDF.

Q. Who voted for you? The youth and the elite of Addis Abeba certainly did not take part in the elections.
 

The youth have taken part in the election, I am sure of that. I am not sure about the elite; there are some who have voted although the number cannot be known. The majority of the people who have participated in the election are from the low-income group. This tells you that although they have not started to benefit sufficiently from the reform, they are still hoping to be included and to be counted.

Q. Three years ago you characterized CUD’s landslide win in Addis Abeba as a “windfall”. Is this not a windfall for you too?

A certain Amharic newspaper last time translated the word windfall in another context and gave it a different Amharic meaning; with due respect to its [the newspaper’s] work, this is not a windfall gain because we have worked hard in the last two years and have tried to build on the achievements that we have had in the past four years. It was a result of our concerted efforts, which, on the one hand, focused on changing the socio-economic and political situations in Addis Abeba, and on the other, tries to explain to the public what we were doing and what we will be doing in the future. I think that this time the public vote was not based on emotions, but rather on the cost and benefit analysis they have made. On both sides - whether for the EPRDF or for the public - the election results are not an emotionally driven choice but one that is based on clear understanding of self-interest. I do not think it is a windfall gain.

Q. Out of curiosity, during the last election, CUD had won 137 seats whereas one candidate was elected from the EPRDF to the city council. This time around, the EPRDF has won 137 seats and only one was left for CUD of Ayele Chamisso. Was it a sheer coincidence or a deliberate act by the EPRDF to demonstrate how vengefully it can come back?

It was simple coincidence. As you can imagine, we did not know we would win all the seats prior to the results. As any party we competed for all the seats; the gains could have been 90pc, 95pc or any percentage. It just happened that one of our candidates was not up to the standard that had been set by EPRDF, so we withdrew his candidacy, thus leaving one seat up for grabs.

Q:  This is too much of a coincidence?
 

Yes, it was too much of a coincidence. But I do not think the EPRDF would calculate to win this election in that way.

Q: How is it that a party that was categorically rejected by Addis Abebans three years ago, for whatever mistakes the party might have done in the past, is overwhelmingly being accepted now? How is that people go from one extreme to the other? Isn’t it that too good to be true?
 

If you look at the fundamentals, this is an obvious result. What happened in the 2005 election was that the constituency of the EPRDF voted, for some reason, in favor of the oppositions. That was what we described as protest votes. As I explained earlier, we had not done much in the first 11 years of our rule in Addis.
 

There were also some other mistakes the party committed, such as problems related to ensuring good governance. Rapid economic development was at an early stage because the renewal process had started only two years prior to the elections. Although the results of our work had begun to be seen, it was not sufficient to show the people what we could do.

Two years after the election, the public realized the futility of casting their votes based on emotions, especially when they started to see the positive sides to the EPRDF. As this positivism was to their benefit, naturally they shifted from the position they took in 2005 and stood where they could give equal opportunity to all of us. Once people stood in this middle ground, the EPRDF worked so hard at explaining what it is doing and what it can do. At the same time, reality started to speak for itself. It was a combination of these factors that brought the shift from one extreme to the other; when emotions subsided the public finally got it right.

Q. I remember the headline we used in our newspaper immediately after the election three years ago: It was the word “Unprecedented!” It is very difficult to call the recent elections unprecedented because they were quiet, the debates were not heated and they were not competitive because some of the parties have boycotted them. The EPRDF has, effectively, run against itself. Why should anyone be excited about a “landslide win” given that the playing field was not competitive as it should be?
 

The choice of headline is yours; I think you chose a headline as a journalist who tends to look at the negative side of things. That is my take. Contrary to your assertion, this is a positive story and in my view, it was unprecedented.

Q. May be it is the number of candidates you fielded that was unprecedented.
 

No . . . no. Let me give you a reason why I call this election unprecedented. First, many people were expecting a downward movement of our democratic process.

Q. Many people, including those in the international community, believe that this is a downward slide on the part of Ethiopian democracy.

That is a wrong reading of the situation; if proper yardsticks were utilized, I do not think there would be a downward movement in our democratic process. In the first place, it was normal to expect a low voter turnout after the post election problems that we have had. But taking in to account that the registered voters in Ethiopia (26 million plus people) was bigger than 2005, this was unprecedented.

Secondly, take, for instance, Addis Abeba; in 2005 about 1.1 million people registered to vote as opposed to 1.028 million people now. Even in Addis, after all this, people have not desisted from exercising their rights. The turnout on Election Day was more or less identical to that of 2005.

Both in a national context as well as in Addis Abeba, we have seen no disinterest in participation, proving that the people have not lost confidence in the electoral process. This makes it unprecedented, again.

Q. People who visited the polling stations in Addis and elsewhere found it very difficult to accept what the national electoral board has said. Suggesting hat there was a 90pc plus turnout is inconsistent with what people witnessed on the ground.

We have passed a new electoral law that limits the number of voters each polling station must serve; the numbers have been reduced significantly in order to ease the problems related to long queues. The number of polling stations in Addis has more or less increased by more than 50pc, thus if you went to each polling station, you would find a small number of voters. That is what happened. Do we have to reduce the number of polling stations simply to show long queues? I do not think this makes any sense.

Q. Wouldn’t it be wise for the government to allow international observers to monitor the elections?

We did not allow it because these were local elections. In most countries, you do not see international observers monitoring local elections. It is also an unfortunate trend to seek certification from foreign observers. As we have seen in the past, election observation has been used as an instrument of blackmail in many instances. I do not think we should substitute the certification from the Ethiopian people with that of foreigners.

Q. The credibility of the national electoral board is always in question?

I do not think the credibility is in question. Those parties who have nothing to offer are interested in making the NEB a bone of contention, or an issue. Electoral authorities are not disputed in any of the developed countries.

Q. Because they are trusted by the public? They are credible.

Do you know that in the United States the ruling party forms the election agencies? Despite this fact, no contending party focuses on that electoral system.

Q. You are mentioning yardsticks in measuring the credibility of elections. Elections are not necessary measured by turnout during votes and registrations. It is just one aspect. Elections are also measured by how competitive they are and how wide the selection is so that voters can choose from when they vote. Seen from this perspective, this election was not competitive because opposition parties boycotted it. Without people having a choice to make, without the election being competitive, how could you say that this is an unprecedented election? It seems to me that there has been a regression from what we all have seen in 2005.

I do not think this is a problem of our electoral system, the law or the process. This is the problem of the opposition parties themselves.

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